[Salt and Shaker]

my mate Jake who is a memeber of the 5-aside team was wondering if he could play for the 11 aside team

he has been a bury fan for about 12 months after i have converted him so i would say i would ask

just asking as of this new league format if there are any more squad places left

regards
K.Rogers

[paul of cemy end]

I know we have a lot of players. This sat we will probably have at least 2 full teams. Why not bring him to an away game so we can have a proper look? I imagine saturday is going to be a lot of players getting very little football.

[ShakerStu]

i hope if it is 22players its 22 players all gettin 45mins each!

[paul of cemy end]

Is that fair on the lads that went Oxford though? Like last year when those that played away play more at home its probably the fairest way. Id be annoyed if i played the same as someone who turned up for the one home game. Not having a go at you as i know you go to away games but you get my point.

Personally i think it should be judged on a mixture of ability, whether you go away games and what you can offer the team. We have to get the balance of playing as strong a team as possible and giving others a go. We have a lot of players and luckily im not the one who has to decide who plays what.

[ChrisMurray]

Well I agree with you Paul and Im going to turn up on saturday and be happy to be substitute because I know that

A) I didnt go Oxford but I had said weeks in advance, but have booked Darlington and Swansea days off.

B) Because Greg is a better keeper than me and I dont wanna play in goal anymore because I have no confidence.

S&S Squad numbers are as follows as I have worked them out in all my spare time

1.Greg
2.Michael Sutcliffe
3.Craig
4.Pete
5.Johnny Raf
6.Jimmy
7.Bez
8.Paul
9.Tom
10.Gifted
11.Alan
12.Neil
13.Myself
14.S&S
15.Anthony
16.Mark(tesco kid)
17.Shakerstu
18.Chip
19.Dave
20.Marvyn Raftery (if isnt working)
21.Chris keating(Dirty red,pauls mate)
22.Phil Donnelly (If isnt working)

and many more.................
Dont anyone get offended by it it was just the way the names came into my head.

[madmark]

Personally I think it is fair! Some people like myself have to work most Saturdays and can only make two maybe three (if I am luck matches)! As you would be understandly annoyed I, I would be annoyed if I got out of bed early on my day off (and its rare a get a whole Saturday off) not to play at least 45mins! Yes I missed Oxford for example but I could then play three games in a row home and away! Oh and I would be gratefull if people didnt call me Tesco Kid!

[ChrisMurray]

i agree it is fair, but if people tell John and Jimmy well in advance that they cant play away games for certain reasons then thats all fair. I mean i told John and Jimmy a few weeks before and on the saturday before that I couldnt then on the Friday night Paul asked me to play. I franticly tried to get the day off but without success and I felt really guilty fortunately we won and thats good but I dont expect to be in the starting eleven or even get on early on saturday but I do feel that we should be given the chance to prove ourselves, dont you agree TESCCOOOOOOO.........MARK SORRY!!

[madmark]

Yes I do agree and I dont expect to be in the starting 11 but as you as know getting time off on a Saturday is hard esp with Christmas coming up! In that right K.F.C Kid! Sorry, just getting my own back! :moon01:

[zero-x]

12.Neil
No. I'm 9 and always have been. There is not a cat in hell's chance that I will be 12. And seeing as my dad is the kit man, and the kit is stored in my room, I can always get the number 9 shirt and keep it with me at all times. ;-) I'm 9. End of!

[ChrisMurray]

Moody little urchin,dont be whinging cos it was the way the numbers came into my head

I want an apology now neil

[coolfan04]

sorry to be picky muzza...but can i possibly get number 14?

dnt ask

cheers

suckers (michael)

p.s. cheers 4 thinkin of me near top of the list

[ChrisMurray]

u only want number 14 so you can say you wore Barrass's shirt and not stumps. i expect to see you at County tonight???

COme on BURY

[madmark]

While we are on the subjecy of numbers I like to wear number 7!

[zero-x]

Moody little urchin,dont be whinging cos it was the way the numbers came into my head

I want an apology now neil
You will only get an appology if you change my shirt number to the legendary number nine! ;-)

[Salt and Shaker]

[QUOTE=paul of cemy end]Is that fair on the lads that went Oxford though? Like last year when those that played away play more at home its probably the fairest way. Id be annoyed if i played the same as someone who turned up for the one home game. QUOTE]

not taking offence

but i cannot make all away games cos of financial resons

Yes if i save up my money from my jobs i can make one away game a month but then my GF comes into it

[Salt and Shaker]

sorry to be picky muzza...but can i possibly get number 14?

dnt ask

cheers

suckers (michael)

p.s. cheers 4 thinkin of me near top of the list

And my number is 8 or 77

[paul of cemy end]

Mad mark if you get 7 jimmy will never let you play again :-)

Ive tried many a time to get 7 and failed.

[madmark]

Will if I cant be 7, I will settle for either 14, 21 or 29!

[ShakerStu]

Paul, as I've said before, yes loyalty should come into it. If you put in the effort to go to games, you should get a fairer chance of more minutes. But Bez starts and I've played more than him. I'm just saying it would be fairer to give everyone 45, whether or not that happens certainly isn't up to me.

[zero-x]

But to be honest, Bez is the best player we have ever had. I think if people turn up for matches, then they should get at least some part in it, but priority should go to those who have played the most and who turn out for the away games too.

[paul of cemy end]

If bez played only home he would not feature as much but he has been there every game since joining us to be fair. He is also an exceptional player.
Think were going to have to agree to disagree but my argument is if you played for a junior side and only went to home games you wouldnt play much and its the same with FBFC. It should a mixture of ability and commitment as to who plays.

Apparently bez isnt playing because of his toe nail and know jimmy is away.

[ShakerStu]

I agree Bez is a good player.

but in a junior team its an official team involving signing-on fees etc. we are a volunteer football team and no-one is 'expected' to go to every game, just go to the ones you can.

i certainly dont want any signing-on fees brought in so that means to me that every player should have a fair shot every game.

[Tom Z]

I have to agree that bez should b starting, and as far as i knew the team are now going to be starting with the strongest 11 in search of a win?? which i think is the best way to play seeing as we have joined a league?
And on the point of equal time each, i dnt see y the players who make the commitment to travel to places such as oxford yeovil etc shud have to make way wen playing at home? i know this may seem unfair to the ppl who for wotever reason cant make the away matches, but we will soon find the players who do go away not wanting to as they know that they r goin to b replaced by someone who jus turns up for the home games. i for one will b annoyed if i only get 45 minutes afta moochin to oxford last week, as im sure everyone else who came will!

Tom
:goal-kic:

[Chip]

Some purely impartial observations, trying not to bring my opinion into it

1. When the team started up it was about having a laugh and giving fans a chance to play, regardless of ability, age or gender. Now the team is improving, it is more about winning and playing the best players - two entirely different things but an understandable evolution. Wherever it goes from here, one "side" or the other will be disappointed

2. We have no training, and therefore no competition for places. Who decides who the best players are? How do the not so good players get better/fitter?

3. If the idea of playing the best 11 is as a result of joining the IFA, consider this - the stated principle of the IFA is to have teams made up of real fans, who regularly post on a message board, regardless of age, ability and gender. There is an acknowledgement that refereeing will be amateur to say the least, and because of that, it has even been considered that it may be better not to have refs, and for teams to agree to just "play fair". There is a stated aim that every game should be played mainly to foster better relations amongst football fans everywhere, and a rule that ringers are forbidden.

4. We currently have over 20 people turning up for home games and at least a full 11 for away games. That being the case, surely there must be enough for an A and a B team, even if the B team is made up of those not so gifted or loyal away players. Sure the B team might not get as many games but then again there are enough local IFA/Fans teams for both A and B to play regularly. And I bet Dave wouldn't mind a crack at managing the B team ;-) (And I wouldn't mind being a B team player if it meant I got to play football, which is what this is really about)

5. It seems that John, Dave and Jimmy have been involved in the team since day one. If anyone decides what direction the team goes, shouldn't it be them? Whatever happens, you can guarantee they won't be able to please all 20 odd players but surely they are the ones that have to make any decision.

6. Is it just about player loyalty? What about people like Dave who washes the kit every week, runs the kitty, organises the footy card etc. Ask him and he'll tell you he'd love to play but he opts to give the youngsters a chance. Surely he's one of the most loyal.

7. There was a meeting two weeks ago and, from memory about 8 or 9 people at most turned up (from a core of 20 regular home players?). I think about four or five of those present volunteered to help organise non-playing aspects of the team.

Personally, I suspect we are heading to the point where the problem will solve itself. If the best 11 are picked regularly some of the fringe players will fade away and the squad will be smaller. Or, if everyone gets a chance, some of those best 11 or most loyal away travellers will become fed up and drift away...and the squad will be smaller. Either way, it will ease selection problems!

It might seem an unfair challlenge to those concerned, but I think this one is down to John, Jimmy and Dave to decide where they are taking the team because I'd say that if one or all of them gave up, there probably wouldn't be a team to argue over.

[ShakerStu]

it isnt an arguement. if it sounds like i'm tryin to start one, I apologise.

i'm just putting across my point of view.

[madmark]

Surely if we give the other team enough notice they could try to get two teams together, like Chip said a A and B team then everyone would get a game or have enough subs so the people who aren't playing could have a 5-a-side match like we did against Kiddy!

[Chip]

Got your PM Mark - when I get a minute, I'll post a list of those I've had details from

[Salt and Shaker]

Surely if we give the other team enough notice they could try to get two teams together, like Chip said a A and B team then everyone would get a game or have enough subs so the people who aren't playing could have a 5-a-side match like we did against Kiddy!

that is a good idea

[paul of cemy end]

1. When the team started up it was about having a laugh and giving fans a chance to play, regardless of ability, age or gender.



Is that actually true though. Sounds like the sort of thing that politicians say. Im sure John started it so he could play with other bury fans and make a day of watching Bury and enjoy the game preferably winning. Agree age and gender shouldnt come into it but think ability should but i personally think loyalty should be the deciding factor. Not trying to pick a fight but there are my thoughts

Cheers

[Salt and Shaker]

lets just agree to disagree on this one

if we have enough to make 2 team we should do

[Chip]

Is that actually true though. Sounds like the sort of thing that politicians say. Im sure John started it so he could play with other bury fans and make a day of watching Bury and enjoy the game preferably winning. Agree age and gender shouldnt come into it but think ability should but i personally think loyalty should be the deciding factor. Not trying to pick a fight but there are my thoughts

Cheers

Not picking a fight either - I was trying to be impartial. However, I'm interested in your definition of loyalty. Is it just getting up at the crack of dawn to travel to far away games, or is it mucking in to run the team, turning up at the social club after games to host the away side, washing kits, raising money, designing a website etc etc. Personally, I think there are many definitions of loyalty, and I'd probably replace loyalty with the word "commitment" in this case. I imagine everyone considers themselves loyal or committed in some way or another. But most of all, I think the idea of two teams has to be the way forward. It would be a crying shame if the fans team drifted apart just because a lot of people can't agree on selection methods. Besides, when all said and done, is it really down to the players to decide who plays anyway?