[Woody1]

Article on official site says he wasn't offered a new contract. On 17th May he received a letter off the chairmen saying he had been released.

http://www.buryfc.premiumtv.co.uk/today/view/breaking_news_detail/0,,10422~397873,00.html

[Music Man]

That's absolutely disgraceful.
Wait till the season starts and Newby is getting rave reviews for Huddersfield.

It's good news we have a new chairman because if someone as talented as Newby wasn't offered any kind of contract by those previously 'in control' then that's astonishing.

I despair when the club let players go for 'cheap' transfer fees but can understand in our current financial situation.
However this doesn't apply to Newby and to not offer him any kind of deal makes me wonder if Alan B is in charge of this area of the club!!!

[kezmoz]

i think its a total disgrace.

john smith and fred mason for sufc

[shinobi_ninja]

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: i cannot believe that OUR club would treat him that way he was one of our most talented players , and adoured by the fans.

sack the board
sack the board
sack the board

ohhh they have gone urrrrrrrrrrrr

buy him back
buy him back
buy him back

[steve_pilko]

What was the point of offering him a contract at a massively reduced salary knowing he would reject it anyway.

Anything we could afford would probably have been insulting to him.

Does anyone know how much we are paying O'Neill in contrast. My bet is he will get more goals than Jon got last year.

[Music Man]

Steve, your missing the point.
A contract should have been offered in line with what we are paying other players.
If he had rejected that then fine and best of luck with your new club but to offer nothing is absolutely disgraceful.

[steve_pilko]

We'll have to agree to disagree.

It would have been pointless offering Jon a contract, perhaps £500 a month less than he was on before.

The club couldn't afford to keep him so why pretend by giving him the offer.

[buryboy]

If any other team member had played as consistantly bad as Newby did for the last 18 months they would have been shown the door months ago.

One season wonderboy

[Music Man]

We shall see how it goes with Huddersfield then but I suspect we will be regretting letting him go

All the games I went to he was the best or one of the best players on the pitch for us but hey what do I know!!
Sure he hasn't performed as well in his last season with us but not through the lack of effort.
Funnily enough Nugent didn't play to well in the games I saw towards the end of the season but that's the way it goes sometimes and you have to look at the wider picture. We will struggle to replace Newby but I really do hope we do.

I was comparing Newby with Cramb in the last few games I saw and they were like comparing Premiership against non league.

I was astounded at how lazy Cramb was and I suspect he's playing at his level now. For the Shrewsbury manager to start having a pop at Bury is crazy just on Crambs say so. Cramb was telling us that higher division clubs were lining up for him so that's how trustworthy he is!
These players forget that talent alone isn't enough and if they don't put in the training and off the park lifestyle discipline then they are not going to cut it in the professional league.

[Woody1]

Whether he would have accepted a new contract with reduced salary or not, the point is the retained list which we were given on 19th May clearly stated that he was one of the players offered a new contract and said "Jon has options to choose from but negotiations are ongoing".

[Gordon]

Woody et all

To add to woody's post above, that is what I was told and that is what I reported on the list that was published

I have a feeling there may be a lot of big changes at Gigg over the coming months in many areas, and thankfully - all for the better

[macsmullet]

I don't know which team you have been watching Buryboy, but Newby was far and away our best forward - perhaps he should have scored more! apperently he had a bad back - the reason was he was carrying the entire Bury forward line on it!

[blackpudding]

ah, so is that why he was always standing around holding it? :lol:

[edit: just in case there is any doubt, i was a supporter of jon's and i'm sure he'll do well at huddersfield]

[Sir Vic Alsmear]

By his own admission, Jon was never going to score many goals, he never has. I'd have him down more as a provider, and as such, there's only so much you can do. I'd love to have seen him playing alongside a Craig Madden or a Mark Carter!

[Woody1]

I agree with that as him being more of a provider, being able to run down the wing, take defenders on and beat them. His problem then is what to do. Does he then cut inside, keeping possession and hoping for a shot at goal or hope that there is somebody running in on goal who he can pass to.
On many occasions when he has chosen to keep possession, his finishing has been poor so what was needed was a big strong reliable centre forward who could keep up the pace with him, such as Pav Abbott.

[macsmullet]

I would have loved to have seen him play in the same team as Spike Carter or phil Stant - promotion last year would have been a formality. I have said it before we have not had a decent goalscorer since Mark Carter! Jonno was ok - but Bury's style of play did not suit him.

[s4e]

Newby is not a winger. Never will be. He couldn't beat his marker unless he tried to knock it past him and outrun him. More often than not he would then simply run the ball out of play having pushed it too far. On most other occasions he would play the ball against his marker and watch in frustration as it was hoofed clear. Newby is a striker who needs a big man alongside him to do the physical stuff and make the space for him. He will have that at Huddersfield in Booth and will score more goals than he did for us.

As for not offering him a contract, the board had a different agenda to the fans where Newby was concerned. A bid from Oldham was accepted but he didn't want to go. Quite rightly the fans applauded his loyalty to the club. From a boardroom perspective his decision cost the club a potentially life-saving transfer fee and he has now left for nothing. Newby could have turned the situation round as far as the board were concerned by scoring the goals that would have kept us in Div. 2 or got us out of Div. 3. He didn't deliver. So if he wasn't offered a contract that is possibly the reason why.

[Woody1]

Don't forget that Liverpool would have got 50% of Newby's fee. I think Oldham offered around £200,000 for him, so £100,000 was a paltry sum back in the pre-digital collapse days. He was valued at £500K-£1M by some back then.

[s4e]

Woody

I take that on board but just a few months after Newby turned down the move we came as close to going out of business as we have ever done. Even if we had only made £100K out of Newby going to Oldham it could have made a difference. At the time I was as pleased as anyone that he stayed. Looking back he should have gone.

As for not offering a contract, Newby himself went public about having to take a pay cut if he was going to stay so figures must have been discussed. Clearly there was no common ground so, as others have said above, it was pointless offering him a deal that he was never going to sign.

[Sir Vic Alsmear]

Woody

I take that on board but just a few months after Newby turned down the move we came as close to going out of business as we have ever done. Even if we had only made £100K out of Newby going to Oldham it could have made a difference. At the time I was as pleased as anyone that he stayed. Looking back he should have gone.

As for not offering a contract, Newby himself went public about having to take a pay cut if he was going to stay so figures must have been discussed. Clearly there was no common ground so, as others have said above, it was pointless offering him a deal that he was never going to sign.

Firstly, if Jon was happy where he was, it's hardly disloyal not accepting an offer from a club he didn't want to play for. I firmly believe that if Jon had been offered a reasonable deal, he would've signed it. He loves the place, the club, and the fans (mostly).

Secondly, if I remember rightly, the issue of him taking a pay cut was raised by a journalist at a post match press conference in terms of the current financial situation. It was your typical end of season question, similar to the questions asked of Preece about retained players etc. I don't believe money had been discussed, he was speculating as he'd been asked a question. Anyone who publicly states he'd take a pay cut before negotiations start is a true club man in my book. I think he would've stayed for a reasonable wage.

[paul of cemy end]

I heard Jon was offered a contract at Bury and Huddersfield offered the same so Jon went to the board and asked for a little extra and his contract was withdrawn. He will score loads of goals at Huddersfield but not for Bury. I suspect the same might happen with Cramb as it often does.

[Stevo]

I would have liked to have seen Jon offered a new contract, but perhaps the simple fact was that we couldn't afford it.

Having said that, why did we not just offer whatever we could afford, and if he then turned it down, fine, but if he'd accepted it and had a good season, we could have been looking at a transfer fee again.

It's a sad situation when we can't even offer a contract (whatever it's value) to one of our best and certainly most popular players.

I hope he finds success with Huddersfield.

[shinobi_ninja]

hi all

at the end of the day he's gone
he was without a wonderful player whose work rate was second to none and maybe from time to time he was a bit complacent. i think the way the club has been ran over the last few years its no suprise that one of our highest paid players has not been offered a contract and to fair to the club if the money isn't there it can't be offered out.
to me the worst thing to happen is letting nelson go i think its a disgrace that he was allowed to leave for a poxy 60 grand.

to both these players i wish all the best
watch out for newby look how johnson did after he first went to ipswich.

:lol:

[astleywhite]

Shinobi . . .
One big difference there, Jonno was scoring for fun at Bury before he went to Ipswich. Jonno could turn his man and keep possession and finish with a decent effort.
Sorry to say it but I think we gave Newbs enough time to prove himself, if you are a so-called quality player you should still be able to do it in any league. Even half decent strikers in poor teams still score goals, for instance look at Luke Rodgers at Shrewsbury if memory serves me right he bagged around 17 goals last season in a very poor team.
Newbs had become so predictable he would easily get pushed off the ball, his crosses were at best 1 in 5 decent, and his finishing left a lot to be desired. When he first arrived you would get out of your seat every time he got the ball, but last season it was very few and far between that he even looked threatening with the ball at his feet in front of goal. Okay he sometimes ran his socks off but that was never going to be enough. I hope he regains some sort of form at the McAlpine because I don't think he was ever going to shine again for us.

[Mr Raw Hag Boar]

[quote="astleywhite"]
Jonno was scoring for fun at Bury before he went to Ipswich.


Never scored more than 8 goals I beleive in any season/part season whilst at BFC

[Jon]

Yes but he scored the eight before November!

[vbl]

And I seem to remember he was Bury's joint top scorer for the season. Mind you my memory's not as good as it used to be. And another thing, my memory's not as good as it used to be either

[craig]

And another thing, my memory's not as good as your's used to be.

But you're right, he was joint top scorer that season even though he left in November.

[cascade]

I think i posted information regarding Newby's contract being withdrawn on 03/07 and Bury Boy queried where i obtained my information, perhaps I should say but at this time I'll keep that secret. Anyhow I also understand that it was an EX DIRECTOR who was in discussion with Ian Lawsons agent regarding settlement of his contract.

Anybody Know anymore about this?

[astleywhite]

Y3kJon and VBL

Thanks for providing the information for Bournemouth Hayter. That was exactly what I meant. Scoring for fun.
And in the previous season he created numerous other goal scoring chances. There is without doubt a huge difference between Jonno and Newbs and from what we saw of Newby I don't feel he would ever be in the same class as Jonno. Maybe I will be proved wrong by Newbs(hopefully not against us though) because he was a Bury player through and through whilst with us and gave his best the majority of the games he played for us. I wish him well in the future, unlike Cramby who tossed it off whilst here last season.
For premiership teams to get rid of players like Newby et al after all the time they have spent training them must mean they know they would never make the top grade. Look at Chadwick from Manure, going to Burnley now, a couple of years ago Plug was going to be a superstar.

[Mr Raw Hag Boar]

Sorry but Jonno never scored for fun whilst at Bury. He may well have gone on to do so but didn't.

[BloodyRubbishBury]

a decent player but he was never prolific until he left andwent to ipswich and then the goals dried up again.

[astleywhite]

I think the fact that the goals dried up may have had something to do with the fact that he was injured for quite a significant period.
What happened last season . . . was Jonno not top scorer in div 1 for Notts Forest?
Class will always show, I doubt whether it will in Newbs case.

[Mr Woolfe]

Newby v Woodthorpe on Saturday - Hmmmmmm